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Nick QQQ 2:10 Mon Nov 13
Most goals conceded outside of the bottom 4 - why?

We've conceded closed to 2 goals per game so far this season, compared to 1.4 last season, when let's face it we were horrible in the league.
Moyes will tell you it's because we are adopting a more open attacking style of play, which is absolute nonsense.
So why are we conceding so many? A few of my own views:-
- We allow too many balls into the box. Both Coufal and Emerson do not stop the supply.
- Our CBs have been poor (outside of straight high balls into the box). Aguerd's positing and mistakes have cost us and Zouma's leg's look gone. That goal yesterday when he literally gave up was a good example.
- We are "forcing in" a midfield 3 of Soucek, JWP and Alvarez. No pace between the 3 of them and they seem to too close together often getting in eachothers way.
- Paqueta loses the ball a lot and when played out of position on the left gives Emerson little to no cover.
- We play too direct and force pressure back on us.

Regardless of why though, it's a big problem that needs fixing. We can't keep conceding so many goals and something needs to give. Any other thoughts?

Also not sure Zouma is working as captain. We lack a leader on the pitch.

Takashi Miike 2:12 Mon Nov 13
Re: Most goals conceded outside of the bottom 4 - why?

a combination of not caring about having the ball, and how deep we sit on the pitch. It's suicidal tactics

Takashi Miike 2:19 Mon Nov 13
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we're also missing the ability declan had of transitioning defence in to attack and carrying the ball past the first man rather than hitting it long. paqueta could also do it but is mostly out of position this season, ward prowse could also possible do it but is also out of position

El Scorchio 2:20 Mon Nov 13
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Zouma's not the problem. We're better when he plays.

Part of the problem as mentioned is inviting the opposition on to us and being deep. When you look at the high line other teams employ it's like a different game.

, 2:26 Mon Nov 13
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We defended better when Rice and Dawson were part of the defence.

Westside 2:29 Mon Nov 13
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Moyes will tell you it's because we are adopting a more open attacking style of play, which is absolute nonsense.

Only two teams outside the top 5 have outscored us, in the league.

We have scored 1.75 goals per game. Last season after 12 games it was 0.9166. So our goals per game ratio, has nearly doubled.

How has that happened? Before anybody says "set pieces," we've scored 4 from set pieces and a penalty, in the league.

Lee Trundle 2:29 Mon Nov 13
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The teams with the least amount of possession concede the most amount of goals.

It really is that simple.

Steady 2:38 Mon Nov 13
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Change of keeper possibly

, 2:45 Mon Nov 13
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The teams with the least amount of possession concede the most amount of goals.

WHU 3 Chelsea 1 24% possession.

Brighton 1 WHU 3 22% possession.

WHU 0 Everton 1 64% possession

WHU 3 Arsenal 1 28% possession.

Possession is not the be all and end all of winning a game. It seems some people are unaware of the difference between defending and possessing.

Charoo 2:56 Mon Nov 13
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We sit too deep and invite pressure, if we pushed up 5 yards and had a better out ball it would reduce the goals conceded.

Mad Dog 3:07 Mon Nov 13
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If we let the other team attack for 85 minutes and have all the possession. Yes we'll concede goals. And loads of them.

Only one person on the planet disagrees.

Lee Trundle 3:09 Mon Nov 13
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You've just shown me games where we've conceded goals in each one of them comma, so good one.

Have a look at the overall STATS of the season.

The teams with who are down there with the least amount of possession have conceded the most amounts of goals.

El Scorchio 3:29 Mon Nov 13
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Possession also allied with where the majority of the game is played too.

Sitting really deep rather than playing with a higher line or the players pushed on a bit pressing or occupying more ground will give the oppo much more possession much closer to our goal. Also a recipe for putting yourself under pressure and conceding. But for some reason he likes to play like this constantly.

zico 3:41 Mon Nov 13
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I don't think it helps that there isn't a voice there, although I'm not sure that Dec was a ranter and a raver. We seem to miss a bread and butter defender like Dawson and whilst both decent neither Fab or Areola are convincing coming for crosses. Aguerd looks nervy and I can't make my mind up about Zouma. Half the time he stands there with his hands behind his back but he does win some good headers and makes decent blocks. I'd personally give the captaincy to JWP.

LeroysBoots 3:48 Mon Nov 13
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A paradox considering Moyes and his defensive approach.

Yet Moyes response, will be, we won the conference league, top of our EC table, in the quarters of the Caraboa and he"s fantastic...so all's good

Nagel 4:15 Mon Nov 13
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If you play in a completely passive way, don't press, give the opposition time and space and the confidence to come at you then you will face a lot of attacks. It's pretty simple. We've conceded a lot of goals because we've faced a lot of shots at goal: more than any other team except Sheff Utd and Bournemouth.

collyrob 4:30 Mon Nov 13
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, 2:45 Mon Nov 13
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Haha that’s a WALLOP

easthammer 4:33 Mon Nov 13
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We have been experimenting with pressing higher, particularly in the last two Prem games, in which we have conceded 5 goals. When we are pressing higher we are at our most vulnerable because of our lack of pace at the back.

Nick QQQ 4:37 Mon Nov 13
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So sounds like a general "Moyesball" issue on surrendering possession. That said there is no denying individual mistake of late, can Moyes be blamed of that?
Regardless though lack of cover at full back and allowing balls into the box over and over again is a big problem in my opinion.
I'm also not convinced with Kudos on the right, he doesn't work as hard as Bowen. That and the fact Bowen is wasted as a CF.

Mike Oxsaw 4:40 Mon Nov 13
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The answer is blindingly obvious: Moyes needs to play even more players out of position.

Nutsin 4:43 Mon Nov 13
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I agree with Moyes we are adopting a more aggressive style of play.

We have also been playing twice a week which makes it hard to play press, chasing every ball and husking to shut down every pass takes a lot of effort and energy, we don’t have depth of squad to do that just yet.

Zouma is slow, and pace at the back and in the middle is also part of the problem so I agree there.

Overall I’d say it’s a combination of all of the above though.

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